I bought these as a "why not, can't be worse than my all seasons". I was wrong. I live in upstate New York where we get a lot of snow bands. I drive a lot for work and am a good snow driver. After buying these, I have been stuck in my driveway everyday. I can't get up side roads that I could with just my all seasons, I have spent time in ditches, had to cancel clients. Awful "snow" tire.